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Hi! I have a contrasting opinion about BEYOND Words. I have been in this magazine a few times, and they have accepted some of my favs. It's a really beautiful print publication with good stuff in it and art complementing the lit. And they don't take everything--they have rejected me a whole bunch of times, a vast majority of times. And I know the editor's name, and she is easy and fun to work with. And I'm no newbie--lol! In fact, I'm so old, I don't buy green bananas, and that's why I like fast tracks. All that said, I understand the criticisms and I currently have a few other fast places I am concentrating on that don't have such high fees, and who I like as much. So I get it. But I just wanted to tell another side of the story.
Thank you for this, Becky. That first enterprise isn't a literary mag. It's a money making scheme to bilk newbees out of their dollars. $18 general submission is outrageous.
I took a quick look at where the O Henry selections came from and I seem to recall they're all from the big name mags. Really?
Those are the only hills where gold can be found? Something is rotten in Denmark', Becky! Something is rotten in Denmark!
Here's what's up with Beyond Words Magazine, whose $18. sub fees are absurd and whose masthead is a mystery .
For Becky Tuch & my colleagues, I have donned my Sherlock Holmes deerstalker cap, and investigated. The pirate in charge of this literary "3 Card Monte" scheme is: Yashraj Patil.
Beyond Words is clearly a scam for hopeful beginners wanting to see their work in print. It probably accepts all "submissions" and has a circulation of zero except for the hopeful beginners and their moms and dads.
i hope we cleared up the misunderstanding about writers and the CIAFBI attack on them beginning in the thirties and acclerating in the forties and fifties that buried most of the more radical poets and fictiion writers bringing "good trouble" in our writing and writing about social ustice issues in an artful and astonishing variety of novle. And by squelching such astonishing and varied writers as Meridel LeSeur, Naomi Replanssky, Thomas McGrath and hndredsofohthers 'Minority' writers in particular and by allowing the strange bedfellows of the Southern Fugitive biggots like Tate and Ransom and Penn Warren et all to merge with NorthernX Cmmunists who accepted so obsrqiuosly their state ofanticommunist glory ( and benefits) - Rahv, Hook, Podwhoretz and preceded to champion individualiism unconnected to any social justice save a very vague hmanism that wound up with Samuel Beckek in a series of mudpies.
You know what, I typically defend small journals who charge $3 for a reading fee or to offset Submittable dues, but this is pathetically transparently blatant thievery. They got some nerve charging as much a fairly good bottle of wine to read some poems.
This is literally Beyond Words. Asymptote charged me 10 bucks over my submission fee to get feedback. It was actually helpful even though the editors and I didn't see eye to eye on everything.
Sadly, I don't have the proven six-figure fundraising record needed to help NARRATIVE 'grow and assess the range of revenue opportunities' -- that job sounds emotionally rewarding and is clearly all about making art for the sake of art. Thanks for always making us laugh, Becky.
Paying for submissions is no different than paying a formerly successful publisher for the right to have their imprint on your book....give me a break.
Hi! I have a contrasting opinion about BEYOND Words. I have been in this magazine a few times, and they have accepted some of my favs. It's a really beautiful print publication with good stuff in it and art complementing the lit. And they don't take everything--they have rejected me a whole bunch of times, a vast majority of times. And I know the editor's name, and she is easy and fun to work with. And I'm no newbie--lol! In fact, I'm so old, I don't buy green bananas, and that's why I like fast tracks. All that said, I understand the criticisms and I currently have a few other fast places I am concentrating on that don't have such high fees, and who I like as much. So I get it. But I just wanted to tell another side of the story.
Thank you for this, Becky. That first enterprise isn't a literary mag. It's a money making scheme to bilk newbees out of their dollars. $18 general submission is outrageous.
I took a quick look at where the O Henry selections came from and I seem to recall they're all from the big name mags. Really?
Those are the only hills where gold can be found? Something is rotten in Denmark', Becky! Something is rotten in Denmark!
“...you brought up on a steady diet of Cheerios and Kierkegaard...” oh my! What a life!
Becky, that line made me laugh, thanks!
Here's what's up with Beyond Words Magazine, whose $18. sub fees are absurd and whose masthead is a mystery .
For Becky Tuch & my colleagues, I have donned my Sherlock Holmes deerstalker cap, and investigated. The pirate in charge of this literary "3 Card Monte" scheme is: Yashraj Patil.
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I just got my copy of Pleiades today. It’s like a birthday present to myself. I’m looking forward to discussion 🙂
Beyond Words is clearly a scam for hopeful beginners wanting to see their work in print. It probably accepts all "submissions" and has a circulation of zero except for the hopeful beginners and their moms and dads.
i hope we cleared up the misunderstanding about writers and the CIAFBI attack on them beginning in the thirties and acclerating in the forties and fifties that buried most of the more radical poets and fictiion writers bringing "good trouble" in our writing and writing about social ustice issues in an artful and astonishing variety of novle. And by squelching such astonishing and varied writers as Meridel LeSeur, Naomi Replanssky, Thomas McGrath and hndredsofohthers 'Minority' writers in particular and by allowing the strange bedfellows of the Southern Fugitive biggots like Tate and Ransom and Penn Warren et all to merge with NorthernX Cmmunists who accepted so obsrqiuosly their state ofanticommunist glory ( and benefits) - Rahv, Hook, Podwhoretz and preceded to champion individualiism unconnected to any social justice save a very vague hmanism that wound up with Samuel Beckek in a series of mudpies.
It wasn't that long ago that we had a president who might have said those words -- Obama. How quickly we forget!
You know what, I typically defend small journals who charge $3 for a reading fee or to offset Submittable dues, but this is pathetically transparently blatant thievery. They got some nerve charging as much a fairly good bottle of wine to read some poems.
This is literally Beyond Words. Asymptote charged me 10 bucks over my submission fee to get feedback. It was actually helpful even though the editors and I didn't see eye to eye on everything.
I love the line “a steady diet of Cheerios and Kierkegaard”. If that doesn’t hit the nail it right on the head I don’t know what does!
ridiculous, usury
Beyond Words' prices for editorial reviews for short stories are by far the highest I've ever seen. Outrageous!
Sadly, I don't have the proven six-figure fundraising record needed to help NARRATIVE 'grow and assess the range of revenue opportunities' -- that job sounds emotionally rewarding and is clearly all about making art for the sake of art. Thanks for always making us laugh, Becky.
Paying for submissions is no different than paying a formerly successful publisher for the right to have their imprint on your book....give me a break.
It seems like that magazine wants to make money on the backs of writers, operating as a business but in such a backwards way.